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Relationship Uncertainty
*This originally appeared in the Five Towns Jewish Times State of Mind column*
Dear Elisheva,
I would imagine my problem is not unique, but I just find myself getting stuck and anxious from it. I’m 23 years old, in Yeshiva most of the day, and finishing up my Bachelors. I’ve been dating someone for a little over three weeks now. She is 21, also in college, and working part time. She’s really great- smart, interesting to talk to, thoughtful, responsible, attractive, and I enjoy our dates. We’re on the same page religiously and about our values and plans. We respect each other and l look forward to seeing her. I can’t find any significant fault with her, and she seems to like me too. I’ve never dated anyone for this long before, and it feels like it’s getting serious. Our families are starting to ask about an engagement. They’re not putting a lot of pressure on us, but many of our friends have gotten engaged at around this point in the dating, and I’m just not feeling it. She’s not rushing me, but I do get the sense that she’s more comfortable and sure about us than I am. One mentor has told me to just go for it- she’s a great person, everything matches up, and he said that the feelings come later. A friend told me that if I’m not super excited about her, it means she’s not “the one.” It does seem wrong to propose if I’m not feeling “into it" enough- unfair to her and to myself. On the other hand, there’s a lot of good here, and I don’t want to give up on a relationship that could potentially be right for me. Getting married seems like the biggest decision and I feel very confused. I’m not sure what to do here. Any advice for me please?
Sincerely,
In a bind
Dear IAB,
You are right about a lot. Your problem is not unique- relationship ambivalence is a very normal part of the dating process. Some dates make it clear- this is not going anywhere. And sometimes people have clarity and strong feelings after a short time together that they’ve met the person they want to be with for life. But I would guess that in many, maybe even most cases, some vacillation is par for the course. This indecisiveness often creates stress and anxiety, when you’re seeking love and joy.
You’re also right to be wary of advice telling you to “just do it”- marriage is your life- not a Nike commercial. And you’re correct to question the advice professing that if you’re not excited about someone you see as “great” after less than a month, it means she’s definitely the wrong person for you. You are right as well, that getting married is possibly the biggest decision one can make, and should be treated seriously.
I don’t know you or the young woman you’re dating, but even if I did, it would be completely out of line for me to tell you what to do. It’s my opinion that no one should tell a person what to do in the vast majority of cases regarding whom to marry, with the exception of warning someone about flaming red flags. No one except for you and your partner will be in this marriage, and so ultimately, the decision needs to be yours, as tempting as it might be to outsource it. It would be so much easier if we had a proverbial crystal ball, the gift of prophecy, or a voice from Heaven, to be able to know for certain what the “right move” is. Unfortunately, we don’t, and so we need to make as good a choice as we can, from our limited, mortal perspectives, living with some degree of uncertainty.
From the little information provided, I can infer that you’re not seeing anything specifically offensive or objectionable about this person or the relationship itself, and that there seems to be some degree of mutual attraction, connection, and respect. Your concern sounds like whether your feelings are “enough.” Generally, I would agree with your assessment that it’s unwise to get engaged unenthusiastically. The question is whether your feelings are not enough “yet,” or at all. Let’s take a look at your options:
1. One option, is, as suggested by your mentor, to just jump all in and propose, hoping that the stronger feelings will come after the engagement or wedding. I know there are those who give this advice, and I’m sure there are some who claim they did this, and it worked out well for them But to me, it doesn’t seem like a wise risk. I’ve seen too many marriages where people look back and wish they’d taken more time or honored their instincts of doubt.
2. Your next option is to do as your friend implied: just break up with her. You could convey a sentiment like: “I think you’re great, but I’m not feeling enough of a connection to move forward with an engagement, and so I believe we should move on at this point.” This too is a risk, as you posited, although not as risky as option 1. In this case, the risk would be giving up someone you like very much.
3. Another alternative is to take a formal break and see other people. This is different from a complete breakup, and not every person or community is receptive to it. But it looks more tentative, something like: “I’m enjoying getting to know you, but it seems to me like things are stagnating between us. I honestly can’t figure out how I feel, and I don’t feel right to either of us to keep going like this. I’m thinking it might be worth taking a break, with the option to date other people, but leaving the door open to call each other after some time, if we’re still interested.” This would convey the honest message about how you feel, without burning the bridge of future possibility. (It’s also not unusual to reconnect sometime after a full breakup anyway, but this makes it clear to her that there’s no specific reason other than a possible lack of chemistry.) Again, not all individuals or communities see this option as appropriate, but it’s there nonetheless.
4. A final approach you could try is to slow things down and keep dating her. To make it clear that you’re happy with how things are between you so far, but that you’re not feeling ready to discuss an engagement yet. And not because there’s anything wrong, but because it hasn’t been long enough for you to feel it yet. You say that neither she nor your families are applying pressure, which is good. At the same time, there seems to be an implied clock ticking for you, which may be holding you back from just enjoying and watching things unfold. You could discuss with her, maybe your parents, possibly a therapist or mentor, what you both feel would be an appropriate amount of time to continue seeing each other without any pressure to get engaged. This is a totally relative time frame- in some communities a few weeks is standard (as you mentioned) but in many, probably most others, couples can take months or even longer to build the kind of relationship that would feel ready for marriage. Maybe you’re the kind of person, or this is the kind of connection, that just needs some more time to marinate and get clarity- in either direction, and that’s valid, even if it’s different from what your friends are doing. After a more substantial amount of time, you might find a clear answer for yourselves. If you don’t, and you choose to part ways then, at least you’d know you gave it a real shot.
As you move forward, it might help you to read, watch, or listen to content that would help you feel more informed about relationships and marriage. For example, on my website, I have an article titled: Assessing Your Relationship, and it includes different questions to ask yourself as you’re getting to know someone, but there is plenty out there- like books by Dr. John Gottman and Dr. Sue Johnson. Whatever you decide, I hope you find the clarity you’re looking for, and are able to build a beautiful life together with whomever you end up feeling enthusiastically and confidently ready to marry.
Have you ever wondered how often people engage in sexual activity?
Or how often is optimal for healthy, happily married couples to aim for?
(I purposely used the euphemism “be intimate” in the title because often, people who ask this question in the framework of “supposed to” are uncomfortable with the more direct language of “have sex.” They may prefer to say things like : “be together, do it, make love, have relations, etc.” Whatever works:)
Couples therapists get this question a lot, especially from people who feel like they didn't or don't have enough information in the area of sexuality education.
It’s a legitimate curiosity, but the answer may be unsatsifying.
Firstly: “supposed to” is not a great framework for healthy sex. It works better when the focus is on mutual pleasure, not obligation or comparison.
Second: Frequency is not something that is mandated. Not psychologically, not legally, not Biblically.
It’s determined by and customized to each couple.
There is a Medrash that describes this, and is quoted by Rashi in this week’s Torah portion (I’m writing this the week of VaYishlach, but you can read it any week:)
When Yaakov sent gifts of livestock to his brother Esav, the Torah lists in great detail, the numbers and species of all the animals in the caravan.
Why do we care how many he-goats and she-goats there were?
The answer offered is that the ratio of male to female animals was determined by how often they needed to mate, which was determined by how strenuously they worked. The Medrash extrapolates an analogy to human mating schedules. (The paradigm used by the Talmudic literature is phrased in terms of a husband’s requirement to be available for his wife, not the reverse, but sex should always be consensual both ways.)
The Medrash says that men of leisure might be available daily, laborers twice weekly, donkey drivers once a week, camel drivers ones a month, and sailors/ those who travel for work, every six months.
Of course these are just some examples but Rashi goes on to explain:
“From here we learn that this need is not equal to every person [or couple.]” It depends on the couple’s individual schedules, emotional, and physical limitations and needs.
I’ve heard many people say that they were initially under the impression that couples only have sex when they want to conceive a baby. They were genuinely shocked to learn otherwise. This is not so ludicrous, when you consider the fact that many young people are taught about sex only in the framework of “how babies are made” if that much. Of course, most couples have far more sexual activity than they do children or attempts to conceive them.
It’s a legitimate query to ask how often couples have sex, but there isn’t a one size fits all answer.
Naturally there are some broad, cultural averages, and data. The most commonly quoted one is approximately once a week, but the numbers range significantly, and fluctuate within each couple based on many variables, such as stages of life like pregnancies, having babies and young children, medical or situational factors, and other variables that often make it challenging or more feasible. So please do not use that average to shame yourself or your partner for wanting more or less than that!
The healthiest answer to "how often should a couple be intimate is “as often as works well for both of them at each stage and season of life.”
Desire discrepancies and changes in libido over time are normal, but if you're finding that yours or your partner's are feeling disruptive to your relationship, please take the time to have a loving, strategizing conversation about it with your spouse, read up on the subject, and if necessary reach out for help.
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Elisheva Liss, LMFT is a psychotherapist in private practice. Her book, Find Your Horizon of Healthy Thinking, is available on Amazon.com. She can be reached for sessions or speaking engagements at speaktosomeone@gmail.com More of her content can be found at ElishevaLiss.com